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  • Can we change the attitude from Evernote company?

    Hello guys,

    I am using Evernote for a while, and it is great tool for capturing and storing reference materials. It could be perfect tool for the whole GTD setup but - as many of you know - there is no "Due date" and a calendar functionality. And non-native solutions like Tusktools, Nozbe, Zendone are not really convenient.

    Evernote representatives explicitly say that they don't want to add calendar functionality.

    https://support.evernote.com/link/po...cation-service

    Personally, I love a comment from this thread

    http://blog.evernote.com/2010/03/19/...e-integration/

    Why should Evernote work on making itself more GTD friendly? Despite what GTD zealots may think, most of the world is not using GTD and many productivity experts have issues with some of the weakness in the GTD system. It’s not my intention to get into a debate about the merits of GTD, but I’m constantly amused by these kinds of demands from GTD supporters. Maybe the GTD rights-owners should make it one of their “next actions” to consider building GTD-specific software instead of expecting every developer to add GTD functionality to their apps.
    Recently I've listen to fantastic "In conversation " with Marshall Goldsmith. His statement that
    Every decision that affects our lives will be made by the person who has the power to make that decision, not the "right" person or the "smartest" person or the "best" person
    was eye-opening for me.
    This idea suggests two possibilities :
    To accept the attitude of decision-makers. In this case Evernote company
    or to try to influence it.

    I want to ask an opinion of senior "GTD zealots" - can we influence Evernote, or we should just make peace with the Evernote decision?


    Andrii
    Last edited by lake; 12-02-2012, 02:32 PM.

  • #2
    We shouldn't waste our time fighting with windmills...

    Originally posted by lake View Post
    I want to ask an opinion of senior "GTD zealots" - can we influence Evernote, or we should just make peace with the Evernote decision?
    Why Evernote? Shouldn't we convince Apple to make iOS Reminders GTD compatible?

    I think Marshall Goldsmith is right. We shouldn't waste our time fighting with windmills...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lake View Post

      Evernote representatives explicitly say that they don't want to add calendar functionality.
      ..
      I want to ask an opinion of senior "GTD zealots" - can we influence Evernote, or we should just make peace with the Evernote decision?


      Andrii
      The statement you quote is bland corporate prose:

      "Evernote does not current integrate directly with any calendaring systems or reminder/alarm services. However, some of our partners offer services listed in the Evernote Trunk that that allow this functionality."

      from which you deduce that the leadership of Evernote has such a strong animosity to gtd that it can only be expressed by strong vulgarity. It seems likely to me that Evernote is merely focused on its core vision and competency. Because I use Evernote for reference information, and follow David Allan's recommendation to keep reference separate from next actions, I have no need for the functionality you desire.

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      • #4
        Really sorry for my vulgarity

        mcogilvie is right - my message was too rude.

        I apologize for this.

        I thought that Adam (the guy with a quote about "GTD zealots") was a representative of Evernote. I don't know if it is true or not.

        Unfortunately, Evernote ignores numerous requests for reminders (calendar) functionality, which is needed for any productivity system, not only for GTD.
        Yes, Evernote ignores it nicely and politely, and it is their choice.

        Because I use Evernote for reference information, and follow David Allan's recommendation to keep reference separate from next actions, I have no need for the functionality you desire.
        Can you ,please, say where I can find this David Allan's recommendation?
        It seems that I missed some part of GTD implementation.

        And how you synchronize your projects (next actions) manager with your reference system?
        Do you manually duplicate projects in todomanager and Evernote? Tags?

        For me it is quite painful to open todomanager, chose next action, then to open Evernote and to try to find reference material, which I need in order to do chosen next action.

        Thanks in advance for help,

        Andrii

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        • #5
          Just another opinion

          My main list manager system is Omnifocus on the iPad. There is no calendar function there either and it doesn't bother me a bit.

          Evernote wasn't designed to be a list manager (although you can make it so) and certainly not a calendar, contact manager, or anything other than just a great tool to store information. But people like it so much they want it to be everything for everyone. I feel like these companies ought to do what they do best and not attempt to please everyone--because they never will.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lake View Post
            Can you ,please, say where I can find this David Allan's recommendation?
            It seems that I missed some part of GTD implementation.

            And how you synchronize your projects (next actions) manager with your reference system?
            Do you manually duplicate projects in todomanager and Evernote? Tags?

            For me it is quite painful to open todomanager, chose next action, then to open Evernote and to try to find reference material, which I need in order to do chosen next action.
            Thank you for seeing that you may have been a bit over the top.

            The separation between reference and actionable is built into the five stages of workflow, but I've heard the recommendation to not blend reference and actions so many times I can't pinpoint a single place anymore.

            My project support material is largely in three places: brief info needed for planning and doing goes into notes for projects and next actions, longer project reference information goes into SimpleNote/NValt, and project files are in dropbox. I use Evernote for reference, not project support. To give concrete examples, email gets clipped into next actions when I need to respond to an email, plans for a trip get collected into SimpleNote/NValt and things like manuscripts are filed in folders in Dropbox, organized by areas of focus and then projects. I use tags in Evernote, but not for much else. I don't have a problem finding stuff, but I am separating real project information from things I put in Evernote, like plays I have seen or an article I might use in a class. So in that sense I'm not following DA's recommendation for one filing system. On the other hand, DA is ok with specialized filing systems for things like finances or client files, and I see what I do as not much different.

            One thing I do know about myself is that while I am attracted to tech-heavy tricks that aim to automate workflow, they distract me from my real work far more than they increase my productivity. So I keep trying to suppress my inner nerd. Simple and elegant is what I aim for, but I often fall short.

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            • #7
              Thread title changed

              Based on feedback we've received from forum members, as well as the unfolding discussion in this thread, I've changed the thread title.

              I really appreciate the quality of this discussion. Our forum members continue to demonstrate honest, direct, and polite communication. And flexible thinking.

              Best,
              John
              Last edited by John Forrister; 12-02-2012, 02:09 PM. Reason: typo

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              • #8
                Title changed

                Thanks, John.
                I've also changed the title of my first message

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mcogilvie View Post
                  To give concrete examples, email gets clipped into next actions when I need to respond to an email, plans for a trip get collected into SimpleNote/NValt and things like manuscripts are filed in folders in Dropbox, organized by areas of focus and then projects
                  Thanks a lot, mcogilvie.

                  After your message I questioned if I need Evernote at all.
                  And it turned out that it is possible to organize a whole reference system in the Dropbox.
                  With flexibility to have all file types, use any text typing program, with cloud access.

                  And for free.

                  So I should stop criticize Evernote, since in few day I'll stop using it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lake View Post
                    I am using Evernote for a while, and it is great tool for capturing and storing reference materials. It could be perfect tool for the whole GTD setup but - as many of you know - there is no "Due date" and a calendar functionality. And non-native solutions like Tusktools, Nozbe, Zendone are not really convenient.
                    There's an undeniable focus on apps that perform one function really, really well, rather than behemoth apps that do it all. And Evernote is a great example of a terrific, though focused, app.

                    So I appreciate having the flexibility to change up these singularly-focused apps when something better comes along without having to change up my whole system.

                    That said, I'm keeping my eye on the collaboration between the David Allen Company and Intentional Software to see if the GTD solution they develop - keeping fingers crossed for that - solves the question of what tools to use to best implement GTD.

                    Dena

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                    • #11
                      Get the Basics Right

                      I just wish they'd get the basics right.

                      I find the iPad app unreliable as it crashes and loses notes often.

                      I've experienced so many lost notes or parts of notes that I'm very close to giving up on this tool. I've been using it as a compliment to my main GTD tool (OmniFocus) for things like random notes, ideas, action support and reference.

                      Today was my last straw. Took really good notes during the Keys to GTD Webinar and after sync ... poof, gone.

                      Hoping I'll get home and find them in version history.

                      My Premium subscription is feeling like wasted ... I'll stop now.

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                      • #12
                        I'm not having problems with the new iOS version of Evernote, but I can't say I like it much either. It feels like feature churn: no improvements, just change. I'm rethinking my use of it.

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                        • #13
                          Andrii,

                          I understand, and have been where you are, when it comes to wanting Evernote to be different.

                          I started with Evernote as my platform of choice to implement GTD in my life. I enjoyed much of what they offer and I was always surprised, and pleased, that I never had to pay for the service. I too didn't find it perfect for me but I tried to accept it as is and enjoy it for what it did while I kept searching for a platform that works for me.

                          It investigated a few programs, heck...several, and finally found a system that I feel is exactly what I need. It's such a good fit for me I would say that if I had the talent to create a platform for my GTD system I wouldn't change a thing from what I now have.

                          When it comes to asking Evernote to make changes I encourage you to send them a suggestion, because I believe the end user often had great ideas, and be prepared for them to not find your suggestions as wonderful as you think they are.

                          Lastly, specific tweaks to a system sure make implementing GTD a pleasure and the most important thing is to grasp GTD and you can make it work on any platform...from paper to the highest tech system.

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                          • #14
                            GTD does not recommend that you attach a due date to anything outside of your calender. so even if evernote had a built in reminder function GTD advises against using it

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                            • #15
                              Awarness-enhancing piece of data.

                              Originally posted by mak2011 View Post
                              GTD does not recommend that you attach a due date to anything outside of your calender. so even if evernote had a built in reminder function GTD advises against using it
                              I think you can attach due dates to Projects and Next Actions.

                              If these actions are not elements of your hard-landscape (calendar), the "due date" information is just an awarness-enhancing piece of data - not an action trigger.

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